Comments on: That Bust You Never Heard About At Campo http://www.aspenpost.net/2006/10/09/that-bust-you-never-heard-about-at-campo/ Think Global : Post Local Wed, 19 Nov 2008 04:02:38 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.0.1 by: link http://www.aspenpost.net/2006/10/09/that-bust-you-never-heard-about-at-campo/#comment-34867 Tue, 09 Oct 2007 01:41:26 +0000 http://www.aspenpost.net/2006/10/09/that-bust-you-never-heard-about-at-campo/#comment-34867 <strong>greatings...</strong> i agree... greatings...

i agree...

]]> by: huntercreek http://www.aspenpost.net/2006/10/09/that-bust-you-never-heard-about-at-campo/#comment-698 Tue, 14 Nov 2006 02:43:09 +0000 http://www.aspenpost.net/2006/10/09/that-bust-you-never-heard-about-at-campo/#comment-698 yup, it's dead. hunterC yup, it's dead.

hunterC

]]> by: huntercreek http://www.aspenpost.net/2006/10/09/that-bust-you-never-heard-about-at-campo/#comment-686 Fri, 10 Nov 2006 03:03:02 +0000 http://www.aspenpost.net/2006/10/09/that-bust-you-never-heard-about-at-campo/#comment-686 Ok, we'll kick this horse a while and see if it's really dead. I think the sentencing was only this past week and the papers reported it the next day. It will be interesting to hear about when this kid comes back to Aspen yet again from his home country and where he lands a job next time. shame on Campo for hiring an illegal alien. hunterC Ok, we'll kick this horse a while and see if it's really dead.

I think the sentencing was only this past week and the papers reported it the next day. It will be interesting to hear about when this kid comes back to Aspen yet again from his home country and where he lands a job next time. shame on Campo for hiring an illegal alien.

hunterC

]]> by: Michael Conniff http://www.aspenpost.net/2006/10/09/that-bust-you-never-heard-about-at-campo/#comment-677 Thu, 09 Nov 2006 04:58:07 +0000 http://www.aspenpost.net/2006/10/09/that-bust-you-never-heard-about-at-campo/#comment-677 Dead? Far from it my friend. A day or two ago the local papers finally reported the guy busted for coke was sent away for two years of hard time. Before we brought it up no one had mentioned anything about the bust at Campo. If you call that dead you must be a Deadhead. Cheers, Con Man! Dead? Far from it my friend. A day or two ago the local papers finally reported the guy busted for coke was sent away for two years of hard time. Before we brought it up no one had mentioned anything about the bust at Campo.

If you call that dead you must be a Deadhead.

Cheers, Con Man!

]]> by: huntercreek http://www.aspenpost.net/2006/10/09/that-bust-you-never-heard-about-at-campo/#comment-675 Thu, 09 Nov 2006 03:32:03 +0000 http://www.aspenpost.net/2006/10/09/that-bust-you-never-heard-about-at-campo/#comment-675 no posts in over a week means this particular line of bloggery is dead. please remove to a place of rest and tranquility. no posts in over a week means this particular line of bloggery is dead. please remove to a place of rest and tranquility.

]]> by: huntercreek http://www.aspenpost.net/2006/10/09/that-bust-you-never-heard-about-at-campo/#comment-555 Sat, 28 Oct 2006 17:00:51 +0000 http://www.aspenpost.net/2006/10/09/that-bust-you-never-heard-about-at-campo/#comment-555 Con Man, let's get this particular blog back on track and get something straight. Your original post was about Mr. Soto-Sandoval and the shocking fact that he apparently continues to break the laws. The underlying message that the earlier bust and conviction apparently did not do much to dissuade this young man from a lawbreaking lifestyle. You went on, my dear Con Man, to take a cheap shot at Sheriff Braudis and find fault in the fact that he was not involved in the confronting of Soto-Sandoval in the kitchen at Campo di Fiori. Why would the sheriff's department be involved at all in a very low-key, small time operation in the Aspen City limits? Maybe you weren't around at the time, but there was a much bigger, federally involved, raid back in December of 2005 and the sheriff was deliberately excluded from any involvement there. you could only fault the sheriff's department if they had been asked to assist in the event at Campo's kitchen by the APD or ICE and refused. we all know that did not happen. In hindsight, wouldn't you agree that your otherwise very good original story was about one or two paragraphs too long? The story should provoke some outrage over the fact that this person thinks so little of our laws that he sneaked back into our country and apparently had no fear or qualms about returning to the very same town where he was convicted as a felon and proceeded to continue to break the law by possessing cocaine. I do not know if the evidence of actual dealing was involved in the bust at Campo's. How the heck is this the fault of the sheriff? The bulk of the blame should be placed on the bad actor: Mr. Soto-Sandoval. While we are at the blame game, I want to know if the management of the restaurant knew that he was an illegal alien when they hired him. Did he provide faked papers to get the job? if so, where did he get the papers? people who have better access to the info than you or I think that the bulk of street level drug dealing takes place in the kitchens and alleys behind the restaurants in dowtown Aspen. The law enforcement agency responsible for that zone is the Aspen Police Department, not the Pitkin Sheriff. If APD decides they need the help of the sheriff in that specific area of enforcement, they could ask. to my knowledge they have not done so and thus I think your criticism of the sheriff in this instance was slightly cheap and added nothing to the story except to reveal the bias and agenda of its author: the con man. huntercreek Con Man, let's get this particular blog back on track and get something straight.

Your original post was about Mr. Soto-Sandoval and the shocking fact that he apparently continues to break the laws. The underlying message that the earlier bust and conviction apparently did not do much to dissuade this young man from a lawbreaking lifestyle.

You went on, my dear Con Man, to take a cheap shot at Sheriff Braudis and find fault in the fact that he was not involved in the confronting of Soto-Sandoval in the kitchen at Campo di Fiori. Why would the sheriff's department be involved at all in a very low-key, small time operation in the Aspen City limits?

Maybe you weren't around at the time, but there was a much bigger, federally involved, raid back in December of 2005 and the sheriff was deliberately excluded from any involvement there. you could only fault the sheriff's department if they had been asked to assist in the event at Campo's kitchen by the APD or ICE and refused. we all know that did not happen.

In hindsight, wouldn't you agree that your otherwise very good original story was about one or two paragraphs too long? The story should provoke some outrage over the fact that this person thinks so little of our laws that he sneaked back into our country and apparently had no fear or qualms about returning to the very same town where he was convicted as a felon and proceeded to continue to break the law by possessing cocaine. I do not know if the evidence of actual dealing was involved in the bust at Campo's.

How the heck is this the fault of the sheriff? The bulk of the blame should be placed on the bad actor: Mr. Soto-Sandoval. While we are at the blame game, I want to know if the management of the restaurant knew that he was an illegal alien when they hired him. Did he provide faked papers to get the job? if so, where did he get the papers?

people who have better access to the info than you or I think that the bulk of street level drug dealing takes place in the kitchens and alleys behind the restaurants in dowtown Aspen. The law enforcement agency responsible for that zone is the Aspen Police Department, not the Pitkin Sheriff. If APD decides they need the help of the sheriff in that specific area of enforcement, they could ask. to my knowledge they have not done so and thus I think your criticism of the sheriff in this instance was slightly cheap and added nothing to the story except to reveal the bias and agenda of its author: the con man.

huntercreek

]]> by: PastorMustard http://www.aspenpost.net/2006/10/09/that-bust-you-never-heard-about-at-campo/#comment-476 Fri, 20 Oct 2006 02:54:50 +0000 http://www.aspenpost.net/2006/10/09/that-bust-you-never-heard-about-at-campo/#comment-476 Well, okay, then. Well, okay, then.

]]> by: alpha6 http://www.aspenpost.net/2006/10/09/that-bust-you-never-heard-about-at-campo/#comment-449 Thu, 19 Oct 2006 20:24:34 +0000 http://www.aspenpost.net/2006/10/09/that-bust-you-never-heard-about-at-campo/#comment-449 Pastor, I may have missed your comments and apologize for that. I try and keep up but sometimes I do miss things. Your opinion of "I think Aspen schools are the APD’s purview, period." is fine, but the Aspen Schools are not in the City, they are in the County, and even if APD cares enough about our youth that they provide the officers to the school, by the Sheriff's office not providing an officer there, to me, is not showing much in the area of "educating our youth" which is one of Braudis's campaign platforms of his philosophy of being the Sheriff. I do commend how your son was treated by the Deputy who stopped him for speeding. Not saying these guys are a bunch of thugs, just saying the policies of the department could use some updating and refinement. Pastor,

I may have missed your comments and apologize for that. I try and keep up but sometimes I do miss things.

Your opinion of "I think Aspen schools are the APD’s purview, period." is fine, but the Aspen Schools are not in the City, they are in the County, and even if APD cares enough about our youth that they provide the officers to the school, by the Sheriff's office not providing an officer there, to me, is not showing much in the area of "educating our youth" which is one of Braudis's campaign platforms of his philosophy of being the Sheriff.

I do commend how your son was treated by the Deputy who stopped him for speeding. Not saying these guys are a bunch of thugs, just saying the policies of the department could use some updating and refinement.

]]> by: PastorMustard http://www.aspenpost.net/2006/10/09/that-bust-you-never-heard-about-at-campo/#comment-434 Thu, 19 Oct 2006 17:47:25 +0000 http://www.aspenpost.net/2006/10/09/that-bust-you-never-heard-about-at-campo/#comment-434 A6 wrote that the Sheriff’s department has a stand-offish approach to youth. Absolutely not my experience in 25 years in Aspen. Explaining as much was a component in my last couple postings. A6 may have missed it. I think Aspen schools are the APD’s purview, period. I’ve seen deputies at ball games, seen them officially and unofficially talk to kids, both quite young and teens. My boy got a speeding ticket from a sheriff’s deputy. Never seen a deputy bully a kid or finger a sidearm, far from it. I take great comfort from their deliberate advocacy. I submit (again) that leadership is key, always. Staff takes their cue from the top. Seen it a hundred times. Boss is brilliant, employees tend in that direction, and vice versa. Braudis learned from Kienast, deputies learn from Braudis. Con Man and others cheapen the dialogue—intentionally, I believe—when they spit out the term, “cult of personality.” Force of character is more right on. MC would like personality to have zero to do with leadership. I find it crushingly naïve to discount style and character from a leadership equation that includes efficacy. Remember the Monty Python sketch? “… you’re not arguing, you’re contradicting!” “No I’m not!” We’re going there. A6 wrote that the Sheriff’s department has a stand-offish approach to youth.
Absolutely not my experience in 25 years in Aspen. Explaining as much was a component in my last couple postings. A6 may have missed it.
I think Aspen schools are the APD’s purview, period.
I’ve seen deputies at ball games, seen them officially and unofficially talk to kids, both quite young and teens. My boy got a speeding ticket from a sheriff’s deputy. Never seen a deputy bully a kid or finger a sidearm, far from it. I take great comfort from their deliberate advocacy.
I submit (again) that leadership is key, always. Staff takes their cue from the top. Seen it a hundred times. Boss is brilliant, employees tend in that direction, and vice versa.
Braudis learned from Kienast, deputies learn from Braudis.
Con Man and others cheapen the dialogue—intentionally, I believe—when they spit out the term, “cult of personality.” Force of character is more right on. MC would like personality to have zero to do with leadership. I find it crushingly naïve to discount style and character from a leadership equation that includes efficacy.
Remember the Monty Python sketch? “… you’re not arguing, you’re contradicting!” “No I’m not!” We’re going there.

]]> by: Lost Sailor http://www.aspenpost.net/2006/10/09/that-bust-you-never-heard-about-at-campo/#comment-408 Thu, 19 Oct 2006 03:28:22 +0000 http://www.aspenpost.net/2006/10/09/that-bust-you-never-heard-about-at-campo/#comment-408 when i was a senior at aspen high a couple of kids went on a crime spree right after graduation - roughly ten years before the crime spree you guys are talkin bouts, and robbed then pistol whipped a poor lady clerk at the aspen village quickmart, then went onto california and got busted hard. noone saw that train comin. and it's basically forgotten. my kid goes to aspen high and he knows quite a few sherrifs. we're real lucky to have such a great unique, trusted sheriffs department here. any officer in the usa would give their left nut to be a deputy or cop here. reminds me of one time about a dozen years ago when i got pulled over for speeding down by eljebell by a basalt police. the guy had his hand on his gun as he walked up to the car. just the other day i was puttin up a yardsale sign on a phonepole by the wood crick turnoff - a sheriff stopped and asked if everything was cool - yeah, thanks man, i told him. when i was a senior at aspen high a couple of kids went on a crime spree right after graduation - roughly ten years before the crime spree you guys are talkin bouts, and robbed then pistol whipped a poor lady clerk at the aspen village quickmart, then went onto california and got busted hard.

noone saw that train comin. and it's basically forgotten.

my kid goes to aspen high and he knows quite a few sherrifs. we're real lucky to have such a great unique, trusted sheriffs department here. any officer in the usa would give their left nut to be a deputy or cop here.

reminds me of one time about a dozen years ago when i got pulled over for speeding down by eljebell by a basalt police. the guy had his hand on his gun as he walked up to the car. just the other day i was puttin up a yardsale sign on a phonepole by the wood crick turnoff - a sheriff stopped and asked if everything was cool - yeah, thanks man, i told him.

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