Comments on: Anchor Babies: No More U.S. Citizenship http://www.aspenpost.net/2009/08/14/anchor-babies-no-more-us-citizenship/ Think Global : Post Local Sat, 13 Mar 2010 19:08:24 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.0.1 by: infowars.com http://www.aspenpost.net/2009/08/14/anchor-babies-no-more-us-citizenship/#comment-94094 Sun, 16 Aug 2009 22:19:56 +0000 http://www.aspenpost.net/2009/08/14/anchor-babies-no-more-us-citizenship/#comment-94094 Where has Frosty hated anyone? you are a liar Nathan Where has Frosty hated anyone? you are a liar Nathan

]]> by: Nathan in New Castle http://www.aspenpost.net/2009/08/14/anchor-babies-no-more-us-citizenship/#comment-94090 Sun, 16 Aug 2009 21:53:04 +0000 http://www.aspenpost.net/2009/08/14/anchor-babies-no-more-us-citizenship/#comment-94090 Again you're looking at many of the problems of mass immigration without addressing the causes. You try and address the cause as lack of legislation, but most immigrants are here illegally and therefore don’t care about laws. People would still bring their children with them as they immigrated and all the problems mentioned about would remain. My sister-in-law is an immigrant graining citizenship and has paid over $10,000, she can’t leave the country to visit her while she filing, she must suck-up to these immigration authorities who treat her less then human, and will continue the process for years just for the possibility of becoming a US citizen. Because she is married to my very legal bro, she is having a much easier time gaining residency or citizenship then any of those “chain migrants” under the circumstances you mentioned. Yet you claim through misreading of the 14th amendment it opens an easy path for aunts, uncles, grandparents, and cousins to gain residency. So these immigrants are fleeing poverty with $10,000 dollars and spending it on a small possibility of gaining residency. Not to mention they have to be outstanding, productive members of society if they are going to have any hopes in even becoming a resident much less a citizen. So if they actually make it through the well vetted process they will not be a part of the people contributing to those problems you mentioned. I’m assuming that you believe that they are gaining residency or else what would an “anchor baby” have to do with their immigrating. The truth is that other then a very difficult process in which the immediate family can gain residency, and “anchor babies” give very little insurance or help to relatives in the legal immigration process. What does happen quit often is legal immigrating citizen are used as a launching point or place of refuge for non-legal immigrants. So in this respect ALL first generation immigrants or any willing acquaintance may be used as “anchors”. My problem with Frosty has always lied in his solutions. He wants to eliminate mass immigration through walls, hate, and laws. I have always agreed with eliminating mass immigration as I believe everyone does, but his “solution” only addresses the symptoms or sub-problems that are a result of larger problems. The world is not as simple as Frosty tries to make it and therefore his solutions would not work. This debate is not over a choice of saving ourselves or going down while trying to rescue the world; but yet that is what Frosty presents to us as our only options. If we neglect the larger issues at hand, such as poverty and lack of education, it will not only have devastating effects on them (third world countries), but it will also have disastrous effects on us. We are no longer a self-sustaining country. We need the rest of the world, but especially third world countries. Even if it were possible to end mass immigration through legislation, force, and walls; we would only be postponing a greater crisis. Although immigration does very little to help immigrating countries, stopping it would hurt everyone. It would take many more billions of dollars to arm our borders and enforce our anti- immigration laws. It would send a very strong message of selfishness, snobbery, and neglect from us, which would further inflame the existing resentment they already have. It would isolate everyone which would endanger trades and give strength to extremist/ militant rule. It would halt our greatest contribution to Mexico’s stability which is trickledown education. A closed border means closed relations. History has shown us the consequences of a world power taking advantage of and neglecting its lesser neighboring nations. Europe is a fine modern example. In all its anti-immigration laws and hate, it has brought on itself unrest and terrorism fueled by resentment from their poorest neighbors. Much as Europe has a divided societies full of racism. The whole world throws trillions of dollars in aid at their exploited neighbors. I want to stop mass immigration, but his solution is not a solution at all. We don’t have any problems with Canadians immigrating, so why don’t we compare our two neighbors and learn the cause of immigration? The real solutions: No more government aid. Export education. No more subsidized products. Export education. Legalize all products. Export education. End all government sales of weapons. Export education. Privatize our schools. Export education, not people. Again you're looking at many of the problems of mass immigration without addressing the causes. You try and address the cause as lack of legislation, but most immigrants are here illegally and therefore don’t care about laws. People would still bring their children with them as they immigrated and all the problems mentioned about would remain.

My sister-in-law is an immigrant graining citizenship and has paid over $10,000, she can’t leave the country to visit her while she filing, she must suck-up to these immigration authorities who treat her less then human, and will continue the process for years just for the possibility of becoming a US citizen. Because she is married to my very legal bro, she is having a much easier time gaining residency or citizenship then any of those “chain migrants” under the circumstances you mentioned. Yet you claim through misreading of the 14th amendment it opens an easy path for aunts, uncles, grandparents, and cousins to gain residency. So these immigrants are fleeing poverty with $10,000 dollars and spending it on a small possibility of gaining residency. Not to mention they have to be outstanding, productive members of society if they are going to have any hopes in even becoming a resident much less a citizen. So if they actually make it through the well vetted process they will not be a part of the people contributing to those problems you mentioned. I’m assuming that you believe that they are gaining residency or else what would an “anchor baby” have to do with their immigrating. The truth is that other then a very difficult process in which the immediate family can gain residency, and “anchor babies” give very little insurance or help to relatives in the legal immigration process.

What does happen quit often is legal immigrating citizen are used as a launching point or place of refuge for non-legal immigrants. So in this respect ALL first generation immigrants or any willing acquaintance may be used as “anchors”.

My problem with Frosty has always lied in his solutions. He wants to eliminate mass immigration through walls, hate, and laws. I have always agreed with eliminating mass immigration as I believe everyone does, but his “solution” only addresses the symptoms or sub-problems that are a result of larger problems. The world is not as simple as Frosty tries to make it and therefore his solutions would not work. This debate is not over a choice of saving ourselves or going down while trying to rescue the world; but yet that is what Frosty presents to us as our only options. If we neglect the larger issues at hand, such as poverty and lack of education, it will not only have devastating effects on them (third world countries), but it will also have disastrous effects on us. We are no longer a self-sustaining country. We need the rest of the world, but especially third world countries. Even if it were possible to end mass immigration through legislation, force, and walls; we would only be postponing a greater crisis. Although immigration does very little to help immigrating countries, stopping it would hurt everyone. It would take many more billions of dollars to arm our borders and enforce our anti- immigration laws. It would send a very strong message of selfishness, snobbery, and neglect from us, which would further inflame the existing resentment they already have. It would isolate everyone which would endanger trades and give strength to extremist/ militant rule. It would halt our greatest contribution to Mexico’s stability which is trickledown education. A closed border means closed relations.
History has shown us the consequences of a world power taking advantage of and neglecting its lesser neighboring nations. Europe is a fine modern example. In all its anti-immigration laws and hate, it has brought on itself unrest and terrorism fueled by resentment from their poorest neighbors. Much as Europe has a divided societies full of racism. The whole world throws trillions of dollars in aid at their exploited neighbors.

I want to stop mass immigration, but his solution is not a solution at all. We don’t have any problems with Canadians immigrating, so why don’t we compare our two neighbors and learn the cause of immigration?

The real solutions: No more government aid. Export education. No more subsidized products. Export education. Legalize all products. Export education. End all government sales of weapons. Export education. Privatize our schools. Export education, not people.

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